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For Fun or For Pageviews?

Journal Entry: Tue Jan 1, 2013, 5:51 PM
Commissions - Open by SweetDukePoint Commissions - Open by SweetDukeTrades - Closed by SweetDukeNo Requests by SweetDukeGifts - Friends Only by SweetDuke

I'm probably going to sound like an arrogant, shallow jerk right now ^^; But this has been something I've been thinking about recently and I just wanted to know what you guys thought.

So... I really like stamps (I guess that's a good place to start) and whenever I go to someone's page I instantly look for stamps. And I see a lot of stamps like this:

True Artist Stamp by chibibarrage Draw for fun-Stamp by Dinoclaws Stamp: Pageviews vs Points by Emotikonz

Now I used to agree with this whole-heartedly, but then--as some of you may remember and may even visit every so often--I got a second deviantart art account for my own personal artwork that doesn't involve PPGs or Pokémon of my IT characters that I never draw that nobody remembers... Anyway, I did it not to appease watchers or any of that but because I'm working on a story right now that I want to stand alone and earn interest without all of the people who have come to watch me because of PPGs. I don't own PPGs. They're not mine. I just draw them. Everyone knows that already. But I'd like to have characters and stories of my own that could be liked by people without having to piggyback off of a fandom.

No offence to anyone who does that because I love looking at fanart :meow: Funny how that works.

So I've had this new account for a while now and I'd forgotten what it was like to start over with next to no watchers. I've gotten so used to having people comment on my work as soon as it's up, with new watchers showing up every now and again, faving, etc. and with my own work I need to submit it to several groups just for a few pageviews. Now it may not seem like it at times because I don't always answer, but I love comments. Even if I don't respond I read them. They make me laugh, make me think, make me consider new drawing strategies and ideas...

Back when I first joined deviantart I didn't really know what I wanted to focus on. I always knew you were supposed to have a concentration, like how our AP teachers told us in high school, and then you could try other things on the side. And well after DuckxDuck got me into PPGs that just sort of became my focus and my other ideas just didn't get uploaded as much. It wasn't a conscious decision. I just didn't feel like it belonged...

Arg, listen to me, I sound like I'm blaming people and complaining... I'm just going to say this now because otherwise I'm going to be repeating this every paragraph but I'm not trying to point fingers or blame anyone or any of that. I'm just curious and want you opinions.

So the point is on my other account I have been going more and more out of my way to try and get pageviews. Why? Because I want to share my characters and stories with people. I wouldn't post my artwork online if I didn't. Sure I enjoy drawing just for the heck of drawing, but feedback is nice too and a lot of people like to hear what others think of their work. I enjoy drawing and writing in and of itself, but a big part of artwork in my opinion is getting others to think. Even if your work isn't conceptual and doesn't have a message behind it, if you can touch someone with it it's the best feeling in the world. And artwork shouldn't just go unnoticed and unshared. Even if nobody faves or comments, at least they saw it...

view stamp by UmiHoshi Thank You... by jennyleigh I Love my Watchers. by Hurricane-Hannah

So where do you guys stand on the fame vs. fun debate? ^^; Do you want your artwork to be noticed? But then again, do you only do art to appease others? Are you perfectly happy keeping your work to yourself and away from others?

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Also, Happy New Years! :dummy:
I have a lot of messages to go through on this account ^^; Sorry I haven't gotten back to all of you yet, I'll work on it.

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SadYukino Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
know this is a little old post but ohh well
i always have had a problem beliving in myself. so dA became a place i turned to show my "Good" drawings and only the "good" drawings. im not saying i didt have fun drawing. but when i was drawing i could take thing that i didt considered "Perfect" which killed most of the fun for me. feeling i had to be so good for it to be worth it. which is why i dont draw anymore, i just cant take the feeling that what im drawing is not "perfect"
by good i mean at my standard
by perfect i mean style look like the original style of the cartoon
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013  Student General Artist
If you worry too much about your artwork being perfect, you'll never give it the chance to be great! :noes: I have a good friend of mine who has a similar problem. You should draw because you want to, not because your work is perfect. And eventually, if you do that, it will be. It may not even seem perfect to yourself, but to somebody else it will.

Einstein wasn't always a genius. He wasn't born knowing how to talk. He learned.
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SadYukino Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
true :)
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SadYukino Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
"i could't take"
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sweettwinks Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Personaly, I draw for fun. I started this account two years ago, but I just now started adding art. I draw, because I feel like it. Of course, everyone wants to be noticed. They want a little fame. But when you have no watchers, its an amazing feeling when someone so much as comments on your pictures. So yeah personaly I draw for fun, but it would be nice to have some fame.
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I remember that feeling :aww: It's always nice to recieve a few unexpected comments.
And it makes perfect sense ;p
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MotoNeko Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
i cant find the part of you sounding like a jerk ó.0
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Student General Artist
That's good then ^^;
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MotoNeko Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013
yupp ^^
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EpicOruUlterra Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, what is your other account?
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Student General Artist
It's a secret ;p
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EpicOruUlterra Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay. :D
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jailbaitCAT Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
Wow, you know to tell you the truth, when I created this account on dA, I had no idea what I was gonna submit here either. I wanted to get more famous tho. My idea was to make as much as fanart as I can, get popular and earn some money.
Afterwards I found out that my goal has actually changed. All I want now is just do do fanart for fun, to keep the fire, the love for the ppgs going.
Yes, I did start point commissions but my intentions haven't changed. : ) I have a lot of fun doing people's recent requests.
About your story, hmm.. you know, you could try to announce your new dA to see how many people are interested in this story. I'd love to see something original from you, hell, I could try and give you some advice on it. : )
But note: Make sure your characters and story are at least formed somehow so the viewer can have a basic idea of what's going on. ;o

Anyway, that's it from me. : ) Cheers! :heart: :iconblossomlaplz:
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student General Artist
Well, your plan seems to be working well ;p I remember when you first started and I saw your PPG stuff as well as some of your other work, and I remember hoping you’d draw brickxblossom because you made such a wonderful boomerxbubbles picture ^^;

I announced it when I first made it, but then I took down the announcement pretty quickly ^^; Like I said, I want people to like it because they like the story and characters, not just because it's mine.

But thanks for the offer! :la:

:tighthug: (I'm not good with da muro ^^;)
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Sakura-The-Kitsune Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't draw for anything, I just draw because I can and don't want to lose my talent by stopping for a while. I go through tons of sketchbooks in a month from all that I draw. I'm talking 200+ pages a month. I like to draw, but I gotta push through everything else too, school and all.

Also, that story sounds really interesting, I'd love to see some of your original work. Can you please send me your other account with the original, through a note perhaps?
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Wow, that is a lot of drawing! :D I wish I drew that much, I usually go through a sketchbook every few months or so.

Sorry ^^; But it's something I want people to like without knowing that it's mine. But the accounts not too hard to find if you know where to look...
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TheDayIsSaved Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
See, I draw for fun, and barely submit most of what I draw, but what I do submit, I want people to see, and notice, and like. If I didn't care, I wouldn't bother posting it. when people say an artist posting their art and wanting popularity from it is bad, that is just contradictory In my opinion. :/
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I've always wondered about that point ;p I mean, if you didn't want people to see your work you wouldn't post it at all.
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Xilent-Knights Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
For me I do most of my art for fun. (gifts and contests for others) Being a pretty low key artist in comparison (I don't submit to groups very often and the like) my art isn't swarmed with attention. I get comments and faves but quite a few go on with none. I post them because I want to share my ideas and what I'm proud of (or just want to post it). I wouldn't mind getting more pageviews but honestly I don't really care.
If I get popular one day, maybe then I'll know the importance of pageviews. At this moment I don't.
But it seams *GeoffNET does XD Go listen to him
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
Pfft, I'm not really sure if I'd say you learn the importance of pageviews when you have a lot but more so when they're taken away ^^; It's funny not getting the same feedback on my other account, but it's just something to work towards. At the moment it's kinda nice not having too much attention.
He gave a great response ^^
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SamuraiEchidna Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
Interesting... I guess the best advice I can give is to look deep inside and ask yourself why you make art. And if there are many reasons why, then what order of importance do those reasons come in?

These days, there should be no such thing as a starving artist. With advertising agencies and many other kinds of businesses looking for someone to help freshen up their looks, you can find a job for making art. OR! If you want to make art for fun, then make it because you like making art. Don't let anyone tell you different. In fact, it's PERFECTLY FINE to have multiple reasons for making art. You don't have to just turn your passions on and off for just one reason/purpose. But whatever your reasons for making art are...

DO NOT CONFUSE OR MIX ONE REASON FOR ANOTHER.

If an artist chooses to starve for his craft, he shouldn't complain about how little money he is making. I hear what you are saying, you want to share your craft with others. Well, to start, it's not so much forcing people to see your stuff. The fans will come to you on their own. The trick is getting to know the fans you all ready have, and the new ones as they come to you. Make FRIENDS with them! Make yourself comment on their journals and their works as much as you possibly can, even if you don't have much to say except something small, silly, or critical. Even if you don't have ANYTHING to say except a short "Thanks", "Okay!", "Interesting", or whatever else like that! Trust me, it all adds up! The replies to your comments will come rolling in and piling up. And the more you talk to the friends you make, the more you will share. In short, invest in us, and we'll invest in you.

I'm all ready loving your art, AND I want to know more about your fan characters. =) I would love to talk more about it through notes, or better yet through an Instant Messenger if you have one! So, you all ready have a fan in me. In fact, you have more fame than you realize, just try not to let the desperation get to you. The need for attention can ruin the greatest of people if it carries on too far...
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I get what you mean ;p I've gotten a few friendships that have started out that way. It's kinda cool how you can get to know people over time when you just started off sharing a few "thanks"s and "no prob"s.

Haha, well thank you :tighthug: I don't really IM, so perhaps notes sometime.

The funny thing is... I don't really like much attention ^^; But my work on my other account... It's like it's my kid or something. I would like for others to like it too, but in time of course.
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Sweetmellow Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Well, i only draw for fun and for improvement. But pageviews are also important too. Some are concerned about pageviews because they want to be noticed. I used to worry about pageviews not too long ago, but now i'm only concerned about my improvement. (Still kinda worried about pageviews ^^;) There are many DA users, with their own reasons fro posting their artwork.
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I suppose so :aww: Maybe it's just something everyone thinks about in their own way.
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GeoffNET Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We need to remember there are many types of dA users here. There are hobbyists like myself who draw because we enjoy the feeling we get from a finished piece of artwork and often upload new content sporadically, and then there are students (like you) and professionals who draw because they have a natural talent for it and may be able to make it part of their career. Members of this latter group should be encouraged to promote themselves as best they can to make a name for themselves and increase their chances for success, however that be defined. DeviantART even encourages this by allowing artists to use the website to make a profit off their prints, but therein lies a conundrum. This is available to every user, not just those in the professional field of art. This puts all users on equal footing, meaning talented artists with a potential career in the field can appear drowned in a sea of sub-standard artists who are allowed to advertise and promote their work to the same extent with less-than-altruistic intentions. Everyone is capable of online success because it's an inevitable circumstance of the Internet we all use. All it took was one YouTube sensation like Jackie Evancho or Justin Bieber and now everyone thinks they can be a famous singer.

I guess what I'm getting at is, yes, you should promote yourself. Getting pageviews is a wonderful first step towards being recognized for the talent you have and the future you want. And I think you've done a great thing by splitting your two styles into separate accounts so people who know you from one can choose to follow you on the other, plus you can keep your dA portfolio a little more polished. The tricky part is finding a way to advertise without appearing like one of the many users who see dA as a fast-track to having their name in lights. Becoming a successful artist is a slow and sometimes painful process, because you don't want to taint your reputation by asking for too much too soon. If you haven't already, consider joining some art forums and posting some of your work there. Based on the kind of person I've grown to know you as, I know you'll do it as respectfully as you can. Also, don't forget to talk to the people you know in real life, like teachers, and ask them for ideas. That's why they're teachers—they love to help others.

Most of my deviations are intended for other people, because knowing I've done something to make someone else happy is what makes me happy. Having never asked for watchers, pageviews, or comments (which I love too), I feel lucky to have as many as I do, because art was a skill I developed rather than a talent I was born with. I also feel lucky to know you. You have a natural gift for drawing, and if you want to take it to the professional level, I strongly encourage you to promote yourself constructively. I have my own business on the side, so I know how it can feel going from being a casualty of advertising to a contributor to the arsenal. But doing this is an investment, no matter how small asking for pageviews may seem now. Your intentions for dA are different than mine, so it's okay for your methods to be as well. You have the talent, the training, and the tact to be a professional someday, and I sincerely hope you make it, one step at a time.

:tighthug:

P.S.: Sorry for the rant.
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
That is an interesting point, that all kinda of artists can advertise commissions and sell prints on DA. I'd never really thought about the ratio of hobbyists to professionals in that area before, but regardless of what they call themselves people buy prints because they like the work :aww: I always like it when people buy prints, even if they're not mine.
...who's Jackie Evancho? :O_o:

I'll admit I'd forgotten what it was like to post something and not get the same instead feedback I'm used to on this account ^^; It's nice in a way. Humbling.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought to look at other art websites ;p I might have to scope out a few. I'm so used to staying close to DA.

Thank you :tighthug:

P.S.: No prob, sorry it took me so long to read and respond ^^; You left such a nice, long, wonderful comment. Thanks!
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GeoffNET Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You and I are a lot alike—we enjoy knowing we've earned what we get without asking for it. :aww:

Jackie Evancho is a 12-year-old opera singer who appeared on America's Got Talent a few years ago thanks to her YouTube audition. Admittedly she had a singing career before her appearance on the show, but that grew exponentially thanks to her 2nd place finish.

That's okay; truth be told, I was a bit worried I had said something offensive, so I'm just glad to know everything's okay. :tighthug:
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
Exactly :tighthug:

Wow, she sounds really good :meow: I'll have to look her up sometime and listen to her.

On a side note, speaking of YouTube stars and Justin Bieber, I don't understand why everyone gives him such a bad rep. I mean I haven't heard much of his music besides his song on Just Dance 4, but everyone seems to mock him for his age. I always thought being a child protégée type-thing was a good thing :O_o: So he got lucky off YouTube, big deal.

Haha, no not at all ^^; I just take a lot of time to think of responses to really good comments sometimes.
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GeoffNET Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
She's phenomenal, and she has a very polite, charismatic personality. Her voice is going to be in high demand for many years.

My guess is some people don't care for how lucky he was to get so famous so quickly. Then, because he became popular so fast, it became popular to hate him for being popular. (I'd even say some people heard of the hatred towards him before they heard he was a singer.) To me, he's just another voice on the radio. I like songs for how they sound, not for who sings them. :aww:

Oh... :blush:
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
Agreed :D
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AngriestAngryArtist Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Meh, pageviews are nothing to me as long as I know I improved from what I had before. And from the looks of things, you did improve a ton even if it's PPG stuff.

If you want people to notice your original work, I think it depends on who you want to show it to.

So now a few questions comes up. Are you having fun doing other things? Pageviews are nice, sure, but if it doesn't give you any benefits other than fans commenting for you then don't fuss over it.
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
Improvement is always better than pageviews ;p Thanks by the way! :D

I love working on stuff on my other account, but I'd like to make it a comic and get it published one day. Granted it will still be a while before that happens...
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AngriestAngryArtist Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I would do a small story first before setting off a big one.

Kinda like a sample for future employers :P
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Student General Artist
I've been considering short stories, but I can't seem to find any I want to stick with so I've just been working on my maain story in the mean time while I sort through ideas ^^; A few short comics might be nice to start off with though.
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BiPinkBunny Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013
yes, pageviews are important ...
all in the deep down here care about it ... they are proof that someone are viewing our work ...

when are few, several things haunt us ... "will be that our ideas are not good?" "designing this bad?" "why nobody cares?"

People hardly give a Chanse to Ocs ... they probably spotting as "another in a crowd of thousands of characters created by other people and do not mean anything"

I understand your frustration ... I also hate knowing that at least in my case ... people are only interested in see fanartes "ppgzxrrbz" and the rest is ignored lol

and I also lost many pageviews in my comic when i started more focus on my characters non ppgs.

is really a war between designers and design lovers xD

on one hand they want to see their "idols of the animated world" and on the other you want to make your ideas ...

The ideal would be if our ideas become the idols of them lol
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Student General Artist
It does seem to be that way. Not many people are interested in OCs.

I actually have some catching up to do with your comic ^^; You're so good about putting up new pages I keep falling behind. I'm sorry to hear you've been losing views, it's such a cool comic.

Haha, that is a nice way to put it ;p It really is a battle of sorts.
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BiPinkBunny Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
hehe okay ^ ^ no problem about it XD

but yeah ... Ocs are unfortunately a complicated question ...

people prefer something more "generic" and technically good than giving a Chanse to new possibilities ...

well I wish you good luck with your new story and characters ^ ^
if u leave me the link of your account I'll add on to see what you have to say :XD:
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2013  Student General Artist
Thanks :tighthug: Best of luck with your work too! I have some comics of yours to read :meow:

Well... It's kinda a secret ^^; I want people to find it and like it because they like the characters and story, not because they know it's my other account.
But it's easy to find if you look...
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BiPinkBunny Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
I'll find you ^^
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Student General Artist
Best of luck! :D I'm sure you'll find me!
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BiPinkBunny Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013
hehe okay ^ ^ no problem about it XD

but yeah ... Ocs are unfortunately a complicated question ...

people prefer something more "generic" and technically good than giving a Chanse to new possibilities ...

well I wish you good luck with your new story and characters ^ ^
if u leave me the link of your account I'll add on to see what you have to say :XD:
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lnsert-creative-name Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like to draw what I want, but at the same time I want to be really noticed. I mean, I want to stick out, like you or :iconblackhellcat: *blackhellcat, for example.
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student General Artist
Oh! :blush: Thanks!

It just takes some time ^^; I was pretty unknown at first.
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lnsert-creative-name Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
No problem! And sorry if I sounded kind of whiny or something there. I was kind of in a blue mood. ^^;
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013  Student General Artist
Oh, no. Not at all. :tighthug: It's common to want to stand out.
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lnsert-creative-name Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok then. ^^ I'm sure it'll happen one of these days.
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missinkart Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Orginally I came to D.A just to show some of my art and to view other peoples art but since I got my tablet and have been getting better and getting more faves and watchers I am also drawing art for the fun of it and to get more views and I really dont care if people look down on me for that as long as they dont attack me or any thing or openly try to slander me its just good
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Usagi911 Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Student
Well in my opinion, when it comes to stuff like this, I just think:
"whatever makes you happy"

Even if others don't agree with it, as long as it doesn't harm anyone it's ok. While there are people who just want attention and people who make art for fun, everything comes down to whatever puts a smile on their faces and makes them enjoy their choices. :P

I would love to view your other account and see what ideas you'll come up with. It's interesting and fun to discuss story,art and character ideas with people~ :3
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JKSketchy Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah, that's a good point :aww: That is a huge part of what art is supposed to be about after all, at least in my opinion.

Hehe, thank you! But if you want to see it you need to find it on your own ^^; It's not hard to find if you look.
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Usagi911 Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2013  Student
I haven't found it yet but some day I will, you can count on it!

SOMEDAY!! Someday....someday...someday....someday...someday...someday...
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